Ep. 23: Case Study: Leah Neaderthal

Meg Casebolt 0:01
You’re listening to social slowdown a podcast for entrepreneurs and micro businesses looking for sustainable marketing strategies without being dependent on social media. Social media is a double edged sword. It’s a wonderful way to stay connected. But it also can feel like an addictive obligation. And it’s even more complex for businesses, your audience might be right there, but you’ve got to fight with algorithms to maybe be seen by them. So whether you want to abandon social media altogether, or you just want to take a month off, it’s possible to have a thriving business without being dependent on social media. This podcast is all about finding creative, sustainable ways to engage with your audience without needing to lip sync, send to call DMS, run ads, or be available 24/7. Let’s get started. Hello, hello, Leah, thank you so much for being a guest on the social slowdown Podcast. I’m so excited to have you here.

Leah Neaderthal 0:55
Yeah, thanks so much for having me,

Meg Casebolt 0:57
I am so thrilled to share the story of how you’ve been able to help your own mental health with your experimentations, we’ll say with your marketing with your social media. But before we go into that, I would love to hear just like a brief overview of what your business is and how you work with your clients. Yeah,

Leah Neaderthal 1:16
so I am a sales coach for women who run b2b consulting and coaching businesses. I teach women how to how to get leads, that are the right clients, I teach them how to lead a sales process, how to get paid more than they ever thought they could, and how to really feel confident in the sales part of their business. And I do that with women in a program that I run called the academy, and also some one on one coaching here in there.

Meg Casebolt 1:42
I like to say, when people are like beg, what do you do? And how do you help people get clients, I’m like, I help you get people to find you, I help your website, get them to express interest in you. And then you need to work with a sales coach. I don’t want to teach you how to do a sales call, I don’t want to like walk you through a discovery call. Everything that I learned about how I do this comes from Leah.

Leah Neaderthal 2:05
Thank you. That’s, that’s so nice to hear. And yeah, I mean, that’s where the handoff happens. Once you once you are found, then the sales process begins.

Meg Casebolt 2:15
Right? And there is I think people have this confusion about like, when does marketing stop and sales begin. And it’s not always a cut and dry line. But there is a point at which you need to be able to talk to a person and say like, Okay, here’s how you give me money. People are

Leah Neaderthal 2:31
afraid that that’s actually the best way to get the money is to talk to people about the money and offer, you know, your services in exchange for money and hopefully great money. That’s, that’s my mission in life.

Meg Casebolt 2:46
Yes, and your business is smart gets paid for a reason. Because it’s like you’re working with people who are incredibly intelligent, really good at what they do, and should be getting paid for their expertise, really, absolutely getting paid really well.

Leah Neaderthal 3:00
And more than they thought they could I can’t hammer that point enough more than they thought they could I think a lot of I work with women and a lot of women think that, you know, there’s some sort of limit in their, in their minds of how much they could be getting paid. And my job is to show them that you can actually get paid a lot more. And to help them actually do that.

Meg Casebolt 3:17
Yeah, and I think a lot of us also come out of, you know, salaried positions at which we have an hourly idea of what our value is. And we kind of comport that into well, now I’m I’m a consultant, and that’s what I get paid. So I’ll just keep doing that without thinking about all the overhead of being a consultant and the value that you bring to someone that isn’t your employer. And yet, so there’s a lot of a lot of math

Leah Neaderthal 3:42
on all of this. A lot of math, a little therapy, it’s really

Meg Casebolt 3:46
confidence. Yeah. Well, you posted on on Facebook recently, and I saw it and was like, I just want to talk to you about this post in what’s in it. So it’s not really about sales so much as what your experience has been in the past year or so, with your marketing and your relationship with social media. So do you want to just kind of recap for me what’s been going on?

Leah Neaderthal 4:08
Yeah, sure. Well, and I know we’re going to talk about how I’ve gotten off or you know, sort of really dramatically decrease my Facebook and Instagram usage. So it’s ironic that you saw this post on Facebook, I know. But let me tell you what it was about and, and you’ll see why I had to post it there. So or, you know, for the for the listeners, let me let me tell you what it’s about. What really prompted this post is that I had gotten back in touch with a few people recently who had commented that you know, they stopped seeing me or seeing pictures of my son or you know, on on Facebook and on Instagram, other social media and Is everything okay? And sort of hinting Is everything okay? And just for context, I, my son is two and a half and you know how you did that thing when they’re in the first year and like every month, you do the the pictures right? And and then you know, he turned one and I like kept doing that I was like, you know, and it all corresponds with with what we’re going to be talking about here. And so I felt like I needed to address it. Because yeah, if people go quiet, I’m sure people on the other end were like, are they getting divorced? Is there something wrong with the baby, you know, is something like what’s happening? And so I had to allay those fears. And so I wrote about how I had purposely decreased my Facebook usage, specifically by removing Facebook and Instagram from my phone. And this has been a really purposeful move for me. And you know, what’s really interesting is, we can sort of go into all of this, but I had, I had always known I mean, listen, I’m just as for background, I love the internet. Like I’m a child of the internet. I had prodigy, which I had when I was like, 10. That was before. Yeah, that was before AOL. You guys.

Meg Casebolt 5:53
I have. My email address was HFP 10 d@prodigy.com. It was like way old school.

Leah Neaderthal 5:59
I got mine. Mine was WP H 88. C however, you are you the second. Are you the second child?

Meg Casebolt 6:06
Yes, I’m the second child because it was ABCD is the final one. Was b My brother was C and I was a tea. Yes,

Leah Neaderthal 6:13
exactly. So I’m, I’m, I’m different. I’m the oldest child so I was united. My dad who’s right? My dad was a my mom was B. I was C. D Oh my god. I love that. You remember that? I have like goosebumps.

Meg Casebolt 6:24
I don’t remember my library card. I can’t tell you what I ate for breakfast today. Well, I

Leah Neaderthal 6:29
think for the rest of my life, I will always know that my prodigy email address was email he WP hhz@privacy.com. Anyway, I you know, I had an email address, like super early. I mean, even in like school, right? Like in my high school, I believe in the power of the internet and social media. Okay. But over the past few years, I had really started to see how both the power of social media was not being used for good. And it wasn’t good. It started to not be good for me. Right? You know, it was a lot of like, after the run up to the 2016 election, and then everything that happened after that, and the way that I felt around that time, and everything I was seeing online, and I really started to just have a love, hate, more hate than love relationship. And then what it was a weekend in the fall of was it 2020 And it was the weekend that RBG died. It would Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. And like everybody, like flocked to social media, we were all terrified, you know, like the downfall of democracy or whatever. And then, a few days later, Mitt Romney said he wouldn’t, you know, stand up against, like a new Supreme Court nominee. And I was like, Oh, my God, there’s nobody to come save us. Like, my I just felt very depressed. And I don’t know, in that moment, I was like, it, those two things kind of broke me. And I was like, I’m, I’m done. I just can’t, I knew that. I needed I needed to do something, you know, like, take a real action. And so I deleted Facebook and Instagram from my phone. I was like, alright, you can get them back if you want them. But I was like, No, this is what I need to do right now. And so I did.

Meg Casebolt 8:16
And that was over a year ago. You’re saying that was that was

Leah Neaderthal 8:19

20. That was? That was 2020. Yeah, that was like the fall of 2020. Yeah. And I have to tell you, it’s been amazing. I’ve seen a lot of changes, some that were kind of expected, and some that were really unexpected. So some of the changes that I probably could have guessed, and I bet your listeners can probably write, you know, you spend less time on social media, social media in general. I read more I read more news. You know, you got to scroll something, I scroll Apple news, like I love you know, I’ll like read news. And I spend time on LinkedIn. It’s not like I got off social media entirely. So that was, like, you know, and I text people who I want to hear from. So that was pretty expected, you know, that sort of tracks. Some things that I thought would happen didn’t happen, like I didn’t have FOMO the way I thought I would or I was, you know, worried I would like miss out on important things. And I did it. But the thing is, also, I should say, I didn’t delete my Facebook and Instagram accounts, I just don’t go on them on my phone, which is like, my phones right by me all the time. Right? I still go on them on my desktop. I’m a member of some a couple of groups that are only on Facebook, so I sort of still have to be there. But I just don’t have them on my device. So anyway, I don’t have as much FOMO as I thought I

Meg Casebolt 9:44
would. And I think I think to a big extent what I’m hearing also is like the habits changed when you don’t have it on your phone, which is always next to you. And you get into that kind of like I need to numb in some way I’m bored. I just want a dopamine hit like I’m like Just the phones they are I don’t know what I want to do next, I’ll just pick it up and start. And my son would always go to either Facebook or Instagram.

Leah Neaderthal 10:07
Oh, totally. I as soon as I deleted the apps, I think probably for the next three days, I just kept reaching for my phone all the time. Like, all the time, it was said to have it. And

Meg Casebolt 10:17
I like, first deleted from my phone, I would like go into the browser and log in because I was like, Well, I just don’t want to. And then I was like, Well, this is stupid. Like I could I it’s like, I almost had to go through the steps of how hard it would be to not have the app in order to recognize how completely addicted I was to it.

Leah Neaderthal 10:34
Oh, my God, I still I mean, I do that every now and then there are times when I’m, I’m, like I said in the groups, and I’m waiting for a response or, you know, whatever. I like sell something to somebody in the neighborhood. And I need a response. Yeah, a lot.

Meg Casebolt 10:49
That’s a big part of it. It’s like my buy nothing group. I’m like, but I don’t want to leave people hanging, they need to come pick up these crib rails or whatever.

Leah Neaderthal 10:56
Right? And I, you know, I do give them my phone number fine. I tell them I’m like, I’m not checking Facebook Messenger. But I purposely, like you said, make it hard on myself, I don’t want to, you know, logging in on the on Facebook on the browser is like, so annoying on your phone. And that’s exactly the way I want it. So that at this point, I don’t do it all that often at all. But essentially, at the time, I was like, I want to make this as hard as possible, which I have to say, is also the reason why I didn’t just put the apps in a folder, like somewhere else, you know, like, on not on the homescreen. I know myself, you know, what we’re talking about is like, just like you said, it’s about habits? Yes.

Meg Casebolt 11:37
Like when they have the screen reminder that pops up. And it’s like, you’ve spent 30 minutes on social media. And you’re like, Yeah, I know, stop it Leave me alone, you know, like, it doesn’t stop me doesn’t change my behavior. It just points out that I’m behaving poorly.

Leah Neaderthal 11:51
Yeah, exactly. And so I spent less time, you know, doing that, of course. So there are some things that, you know, some outcomes or some results that were expected, some that were not as bad as I thought, and then some that were totally unexpected, or, you know, it just in ways I didn’t, I couldn’t have anticipated, like, I am so much happier. I’m so much more content, my mood throughout the day is just steady. My mood isn’t swung up or down in small ways, or in big ways, through the things I see on Facebook or Instagram. You know, I was thinking about it. And I was like, why is that? You know, cuz I’m, you know, me, I’m like, kind of a personal development junkie. And I’m like, why is this? Why do I feel this way. And so, I just feel, you know, the only thing I could think about is, you know, to going on Facebook, too, and like scrolling your feed, or Instagram or whatever is your sort of like micro dosing on other people’s emotions. Because if you think about it, it’s like the Facebook feed people go on, on to Facebook, or Instagram to express an emotion, maybe the emotion is that they are happy, right, and like, they want to share something happy, maybe they’re angry, or they feel sad, they, you know, they post something about that maybe they feel proud. And they post something, you know, to express that emotion or they feel unsure. And they post to, you know, get cut some, some support. So, all of this is like, basically the newsfeed is other people’s emotions one after another, and when you read it or scroll it, you’re sort of like, micro dosing on that emotion. And so when I stopped micro dosing on other people’s emotions, then how I feel just comes from like, my emotions, like, how do I actually feel, and that has been incredibly freeing. Change to, to sort of experience and observe,

Meg Casebolt 13:59
right, and especially with as polarizing as these places have become, even if somebody is just expressing what they believe to be an opinion, it can set me off for the day, it can make me like I can’t believe that they think that they haven’t done their research, but you know it like they’re, they’re coming in with a but what they believe to be either like a neutral statement or like a statement of fact, and it will just set me off, you know, like, how dare they share this incorrect information. Like I get up on a soapbox, and that doesn’t feel good, either. That doesn’t help the situation, getting into their comments and being like, this is wrong, it doesn’t change there. So why am I engaging with it? Even if I’m not, you know, in the comments, I’m mentally engaging with that experience. I think you’re right. It’s like micro dosing and feeling like you then get caught up in someone else’s opinions or feelings or situations or if somebody has a bad experience of like customer service and they go there about it. That sticks with you too.

Leah Neaderthal 14:57
Absolutely. I think that what I found was that as time went on, you know, the the highs that you experienced from the good things that you see online, right, somebody has a great day or baby’s born or whatever, right? Those got sort of not as high. But I gotta say the lows got lower. And this is especially like dude in there in the political environment, like, the degree to which somebody is post about, I don’t know, let’s pick one way that the world’s going to shit, right? Like somebody posts about that would like you said, like, either set me off or make me feel depressed. And that got longer and longer. And so I didn’t have those, like great highs to balance that out. And so the microdosing just made me sad, depressed, whatever, however you want to call it.

Meg Casebolt 15:50
And like it, there was nothing in your control that could change it. It’s just like feeding on other people’s sorrow or frustration, without having any agency in the situation that you could fix it.

Leah Neaderthal 16:02
Yeah, yeah. So I couldn’t fix that. Right. But I could fix how I acted. Mm hmm. and exposing myself to that.

Meg Casebolt 16:12
So, you know, these are platforms. And we’re talking to a lot of business owners who are using these platforms as a way of networking and using them to you know, I get tagged into a lot of groups where people are like, you know, do you don’t want to say, oh, person, and I get tagged a couple times. And so I still have to go in and log in, I don’t feel prepared to walk away from that environment. How did you feel even just taking it off your phone? You know, you said you’re still going on desktop? But did you feel like there were any negative consequences of not being as immediately accessible or feeling like you’re missing out on conversations where you could be valuable, like, any negative ramifications of that choice?

Leah Neaderthal 16:51
You know, I actually, I don’t think I, I don’t think that affected me as much. Because I’ve been spending a lot of time on LinkedIn for several years now. And for me, that’s where those conversations were happening. That’s where those little pings and tags would take place. And so I’ve kind of doubled down on LinkedIn, I mean, both for me, I teach people how to use it, and both for my own business, and if I want to scroll something, I’ll, I’ll scroll LinkedIn.

Meg Casebolt 17:22
Yeah, and start building those relationships there. Because a lot of what I’ve been hearing from people in these conversations is like, I feel like I still have to be there to support others, to stay top of mind to be in the DMS to be building those relationships, you’re doing that you’re just choosing which platform you’re doing it on, you’re choosing the platform, that people are talking about professional things, and not necessarily their kind of personal or political statements. You’re not connected to like, Great Uncle George, who’s gonna set you off anyway, you know, you’ve created a space and probably curated a feed that is not only more beneficial to your business, but also potentially more nurturing to you, then what’s happening in those other spaces where you have less control over what it is that you see, is that true?

Leah Neaderthal 18:05
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, to some extent, for sure, I mean, I think that not to get super wonky, you know, the LinkedIn is a better place and a happier place to be. And it goes back to this is the wonky part, it goes back to the business model. You know, Lincoln’s business model is subscription services, they want you to sign up for LinkedIn premium or Sales Navigator, and companies pay lots of money to host job listings and stuff like that. Versus Facebook’s, you know, model, which is based on like, likes and clicks. So they want to show you more things that have a higher likelihood of getting likes and clicks. Now, we know from research and experience that the things that have a higher likelihood of getting likes and clicks are negative things, not positive things. When you compare that to a place like LinkedIn, that wants to sell you, you know, what offer you subscription services, you know, they want to create a place that you actually want to stay on that makes you feel good. And so they’re, they’re not incentivized to show you things that make you unhappy, basically,

Meg Casebolt 19:05
I never really thought of it that way. But when you think about the the different business models, you know, and and I read a lot about the way that we’ll say, the meta network, the folks who are selling the Facebook and Instagram ads, they’re trying to pin you into a demographic so that way they can bundle you up and sell you as part of who they’re going to give Facebook ads to. So that when they’re putting things in front of you that you’re reacting to, you’re giving them more information about what you want to be seen. Yes. So you are changing the algorithm, but also like you are making a conscious choice about the future things that you want to see in your ads in your feed. And that can be you can be creating your own echo chamber in those spaces. And I think you’re totally right that, you know, because LinkedIn isn’t selling ads in that same model. They’re not trying to package you up in that specific way so that way they can sell you They’re trying to sell their services, they’re trying to get you into the hands of their recruiters or of the people who are who have those jobs on there. It’s a very different type of environment with different outcomes that they’re trying to produce for, you know, they may still have shareholders and investors and things along those lines. But the metrics that they’re tracking are going to be very different. So I’ve never really thought of it and quite that framework of the different business models. In some ways. I just thought, well, social media, social media, but no, this is a very different model. So thanks for calling that out for me.

Leah Neaderthal 20:31
Yeah, no, I mean, it’s, it’s something that I think a lot of people don’t think about. And it explains why, you know, LinkedIn has its own little problems, but it’s a generally a happier, happier place to be. And so a few years ago, I took all my business groups off of a my for this,

Meg Casebolt 20:54
I think I remember you going from Facebook groups to Slack channels for, at least for the programs I was in with you, it was a Slack based community, as opposed to let’s just have a Facebook group for every cohort that goes through and connect with people that way.

Leah Neaderthal 21:09
Well, so that was a really important choice for us. Because the problem with any program is getting people and helping people use the program to get value from the program. And so I was really afraid that if I took people away from a place where they already were, which is Facebook, then they wouldn’t show up, they wouldn’t participate, they wouldn’t get value. And they wouldn’t, of course, tell their friends and, you know, evangelize what it’s like to work with me. But at the same time, I didn’t want to basically assemble a group of people, and use a free tool by serving them up to Facebook so that Facebook could make money on them while they were getting value from my program. So we need everybody to slack. And what we found was, I mean, of course, it was a change. But on the whole people really valued not being distracted, they value this as a place for work. And a lot of the women I work with also are trying to decrease their Facebook usage. So this helped them take a you know, at least one more step in that direction.

Meg Casebolt 22:08
Yeah, I think, you know, especially if you’re just starting out with a community online, a lot of people start with a Facebook group, because there’s zero cost to running that to the to the consumer to the person who’s running the group, like, that’s where I started out with my groups. And now you know, I’m on a different platform that cost me 50 to $100 a month to have it. So it’s not always an easy thing, if you don’t already have that group of people. But slack can be a really great space, because, sure, you can just like pro with all the integrations and all the things, but you can just have a free community there that’s free for you free for your users, and they’re not necessarily logged in somewhere else where you don’t control what is being shown to them, you don’t control whether or not they’re actually seeing what it is that you’re creating. Whereas when I log into my slack channel for you, for your people, I know exactly what I’m going to get there, I’m going to be able to go through and look at everything that’s been posted without getting distracted by, you know, here’s also these ads and these other people, you know, it is a much more focused, structured opportunity.

Leah Neaderthal 23:09
Absolutely. And it just feels better for us as, as, you know, the owners of this community that hosted this community, that we can provide a really focused experience where they’re getting the value from the program that they want for their business, I think two big things to consider, right? As a is like, where are we going to host our community, but also it’s like, how are where are we going to market? Right? Where are we show up so that we get clients? And I think for a lot of people they think to themselves, I can’t not be on Facebook, you know, both for those organic things like likes and mentions and stuff like that. But also, you know, a broader campaign based or intentional marketing effort, you know, how could I not use Facebook? And I think the truth is that you actually just don’t have to I mean, there’s really no there. There’s no other way to say it’s in that like, I think it comes from a the fact that Facebook gives us a lot of reach, but B I think a lot of business owners feel like they have to be everywhere and do everything. And that can cause a lot of anxiety, and overwork and inefficiency. So I spend a lot of time I was saying I spend a lot of time on LinkedIn because I enjoy it more but also it’s where I show up to get clients. And you just I just went I just doubled down on LinkedIn because you actually don’t. You can pick one, you can do one thing really well and it will always pay off more than trying to do a lot on everything or what usually happens is trying to do everything and falling flat.

Meg Casebolt 24:45
Doing it all poorly is not as great as you know, doing one thing really well. Like Ron Swanson says don’t half assed two things whole ass one thing. Yeah.

Leah Neaderthal 24:55
So much wisdom from Ron Swanson,

Meg Casebolt 24:57
wisdom of Ron Swanson. So any big Like unexpected revelations from making the shift away from these channels

Leah Neaderthal 25:05
from a business perspective, you

Meg Casebolt 25:07
mean, yeah, from a business perspective?

Leah Neaderthal 25:08
You know, I think that it really served to remind me what kind of what I already knew, which is people that you’re going to work with your clients, your potential clients have to go through their own education process, to learn about you know, that you know what you do, right? It’s the perfect, this is basically the purchase funnel, know that you exist, become familiar with what you do start to think about you and the problems that you solve and how you can impact their life. And you have to basically let them become warm to you. Right. And when you show up in one place consistently, you actually make that happen. So you can’t shortcut that process. You know, I think that a lot of times when we think about how do we like, quote, unquote, use social media to get clients, right? It’s like, how do I basically show up, do a lot and then get the clients in return? The truth is that this education process happens, whether you’re there or not, I mean, I’d prefer that you be there dissipating it, but but it’s a longer term process. And you can’t, like I said, you can’t shortcut it. So if you do one thing really well and show up consistently, the clients do come. And when they show up, when they when they show up to say, Alright, I’m ready. They are already pre sold on you, because they’ve been following along, they’ve warmed themselves up. They know they have the problem that you solve, and they know that you’re the one to solve it. And that is so much more valuable than trying to do a whole lot on social media.

Meg Casebolt 26:45
Yeah. And trying to take people who aren’t cold and convert them quickly, as opposed to recognizing that people need time. And if you do a really good job of presenting yourself as a solution, when they’re ready for that solution, they’ll seek you out. But you can’t be able to move at a pace that they’re not ready for.

Leah Neaderthal 27:07
That is I mean, I couldn’t have said it better myself. Absolutely. There are people who reach out to me on the regular weekly, and they say, I’ve been following you for months, or I’ve been following you for years. And, you know, I would imagine that some people would look at that and say, well, where the hell have you been? Right? I’ve been full time, what took you so long. But what that says to me is, I’ve been following you for months, I’ve been following you for years. And I know that you’re the right person, and I’m ready, which that makes the set what we would consider it the sales process. So much better, faster, easier, and more built around a relationship that already existed, you might not have been able to see it, but they were building a relationship with you, before they showed up on your doorstep. Yeah, we

Meg Casebolt 27:55
had a podcast a couple podcasts ago, we had a whole conversation about the invisible audience that you have, which is that if you keep showing up and you keep delivering value, and you wherever you are, your blog, your podcast, your LinkedIn, your social, your SEO, where wherever you’re hanging out podcasts that you’re guessing on, if you just keep showing up, then eventually people will seek you out if you if you’re giving a message that’s good for them. And if you’re not a good fit for them, they won’t seek you out, right? Like there’s always going to be that invisible audience of people who, you know, listen to a podcast you’re on. And then six months later, they subscribe to your email list. And then they read for two years, and then they’re ready. And I think that because we want the sale, we want it to happen now. And we want to track how well this campaign did by you know, the conversion rate of people who bought during this window. And it’s like, well, you know, I just had a launch where somebody told me that she’s been in my audience for three years. Do I count her for now? Or do I count over three or, you know, like, these things are not as cut and dry.

Leah Neaderthal 28:57
They’re not, because think about it, US has as the consumer, right? There are, let’s say, coaches or brands or whatever that I followed for a long time. And, you know, sometimes just takes that long to decide that you had a problem and you’re ready. I mean, think about it. It all marketing is just being there when somebody decides they have a problem. That’s it. I mean, that’s there’s no secret to that. There’s that’s the secret of marketing, right? So if you can be there first with information that teaches people how to think about you to just people how you think about the problem, helps them maybe identify that they have a problem and communicates that that problem is we’re solving, then you’re doing the marketing, and you don’t have to do it everywhere.

Meg Casebolt 29:43
All right, well, I think we’ve heard a lot about you know, what it is that you do and how you help people and how your personal mental health and business health has prospered even without having these tools and being immediately accessible. If people want to find out more about you and reach out to you what The best way for them to get in touch with you a couple of ways.

Leah Neaderthal 30:03
So if you listen to podcasts like you are listening to this podcast, head over to the smart get paid podcast and click follow. And that podcast I’m going behind the scenes into my own calls with clients. And we’re solving some of their biggest challenges in in selling and how to get the clients that they want. So smart gets paid podcast on wherever you listen to your podcasts. Of course I mentioned you can find me on LinkedIn and then at my website at Smart gets paid.com

Meg Casebolt 30:30
Alright, thank you so much for being here early. I really appreciate it.

Leah Neaderthal 30:33
Thanks so much for having me.

Meg Casebolt 30:37
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