Last month we talked a lot about our time spent on social media during the Social Slowdown Challenge, so I thought it would be the perfect time to share my conversation with Becca Rich about time management with you – and not just time management when it comes to social media, but here we talk about time in relation to our personal lives as well.
In this episode, we cover :
- Time blocking and time awareness
- Reframing the way we think about “time management”
- How capitalism has exploited our time
- The many factors that impact our ability to rest and experience joy and pleasure
- Prioritization and constraint
Read the full transcript
Becca Rich 0:00
It just goes back to like how we spend our time is how we express to ourselves into the world, what’s important to us and the people that we are and the things that we care about. And that concept in itself just like blows my mind always.
Meg Casebolt 0:14
You’re listening to social slowdown a podcast for entrepreneurs and micro businesses looking for sustainable marketing strategies without being dependent on social media. Social media is a double edged sword. It’s a wonderful way to stay connected. But it also can feel like an addictive obligation. And it’s even more complex for businesses, your audience might be right there, but you’ve got to fight with algorithms to maybe be seen by them. So whether you want to abandon social media altogether, or you just want to take a month off, it’s possible to have a thriving business without being dependent on social media. This podcast is all about finding creative, sustainable ways to engage with your audience without needing to lip sync, send to cold DMS, run ads or be available 24/7. Let’s get started. Welcome, everyone to the social slowdown podcast. I am Meg Casebolt, your host and I am here with Becca rich, the holistic time coach. Thank you, Becca for being here with me today. Hey,
Becca Rich 1:13
thanks so much for having me. I’m excited to chat with you and your pup.
Meg Casebolt 1:18
Yes, and Charlie’s here to my dog just came in. back as a former engineer, turned to holistic time coach, speaker, educator and full time digital nomad, and she works with creative ambitious entrepreneurs and professionals seeking more time and freedom and joy. So this feels like a really serendipitous time to be having this conversation you and I kind of went back and forth several times about like, when are we going to be recording? And when’s the right time. And then we just finished up the social side on challenge where we talked a lot about time management and priorities and boundaries. And so this is a great time to bring you on to sort of think of it not just in the context of social media specifically, but also in your entire life and approach to it. So tell me a little bit about being a holistic time coach.
Becca Rich 2:03
Yeah, well, it’s super meta, because you hit the nail on the head right there of like, time is our life. And so I’m a certified holistic life coach. But I love talking specifically about time because it was the thing that I really struggled with. And I saw so many people struggling with as well when I was an engineer and a yoga teacher and a Reiki healer and figuring out how to travel the world and like plan my own wedding and, you know, do all the things. And so yeah, like my work as the holistic time coach in the world is extremely important and mission driven, and has sort of been like my healing journey, if you will, over the last, like 910 years. So I’m really grateful to be talking about time to everyone that wants to talk about it with me.
Meg Casebolt 2:56
And I think, you know, we talk a lot about time management as sort of a jargony buzzword type thing to mean, like, how do you get as much crap into your day as humanly possible? And so I wanted to chat with you specifically about the holistic piece of it, which is much more like not just how do I do more? How do I create more achieve more, but like, how do I make the most out of my How do I like get the most out of it holistically, not just in the workplace, right? Yeah,
Becca Rich 3:24
even saying things like make the most of our time or like feeling control of our time gets like a bad rap. Because it’s like, we think of it only in the workplace, or, you know, doing action. And when you take a step back and think about time or even time management holistically, we can see that there’s, you know, an interconnectedness of how we feel and what we think and relationships and environment and you know, all the things that impact our ability to be at work to do our work effectively, as well as our ability to rest and turn off and experience joy and pleasure and peace and all of those things. And so when you look at time or time management in a holistic way, it allows us to put our well being at the center of it all and that’s really what time management, traditional time management misses out and that’s why I think it’s such a buzzword and like other so much like cringe worthy, like shame and guilt and gross stuff around time. Yeah, and
Meg Casebolt 4:29
I mean, what do you think about the the cringe worthy and the shame around it? I think a lot of that came from, you know, the Industrial Revolution. Prior to that we were primarily an agricultural society, we worked on circadian rhythms, right, like we moved in a natural way. But then with the industrial revolution, people working in factories, 24 hour shift or 24 Hour Work cycles, eight hour shifts, like suddenly our time was instead of being or up with the sun no Are we’re working in very specific ways, but that were natural to us, it became like, somebody else is inflicting time upon us, it became a constraint instead of a rhythm. Yeah.
Becca Rich 5:10
And that’s where I often love, like going really deep into the philosophy and why I often tell people, I’m anti capitalist time coach, because, you know, our dominant, you know, cultural way of looking at time, is that it can be bought and sold, which means that we, you know, capitalism has turned our life into a commodity that can be exploited. And that’s what we do to ourselves, because we’re in so deep ingrained into this, you know, dominant capitalist narrative around time. And so, yeah, being able to really take a step back and be like, Whoa, like, time is the sun rising, and, you know, the moon and the tides. And, you know, in this room, my engineering, super heavy brain comes in of like, the fundamental equations of existence. I could go into that deep, but I will not, I’ll spare everybody. But no, I would
Meg Casebolt 6:08
love that. Actually, I have no idea if our listeners would, but I would totally geek out with you. Exist existence, oh, my gosh.
Becca Rich 6:16
So there’s a great book,
Meg Casebolt 6:19
we got some real Ravenclaw energy going on here. Right? Sorry, hustle, Fox.
Becca Rich 6:26
Yes. Which is interesting. So like an engineer came up with the concept of time management. And now I’m an engineer, and I’m like, let’s throw all traditional time management away. And I really love that like, full circle moment of, you know, the last century around time management. But yeah, like, you know, one of the fundamental laws of like entropy, for example, it always, like, really, really gets me excited. And so like the, you know, the fundamental equation of entropy basically says that the direction that the universe heads into is chaos. And so for always trying to control and manage and like, make sense of like, the chaos, that’s exhausting. Like, we spend our entire lifetimes trying to organize the chaos and make sense of that. And so one of my clients recently said, after working together, that they are more committed to the fluidity of being human, then trying to turn themselves into, like, this robot or this, you know, standardized, consistent, human being that, you know, level of expectation, that’s impossible, quite frankly, it’s impossible. And so yeah, I love entropy is one of the fundamental equations of the universe because we got to figure out what we can control what we want to control what we want to manage and how to be more committed to being fluid human beings than robots. I looked at use the word
Meg Casebolt 8:02
control as a verb, what we can and cannot control. Because so much of of modern society is just trying to control things that are really ours. Like time, like space, like. Okay, we’re gonna theoretical here in a minute, but I’m kind of loving this, like entropy based conversation. So are you suggesting but the fluidity piece like the letting go of some of that rigidity, letting go of some of that feeling of needing to be in control all the time, and instead leaning into flexibility and fluidity? How does that work for people? Who are I mean, oh, wait, let me back up. And entrepreneurs, one of the things that we that many of us probably are pursuing is some choices about how we’re running our own lives and how we’re showing up and, and the control over the, the ways that we show up our brand our offers our clients, like we as a people of entrepreneurs are probably, you know, more risk tolerant than most but also maybe more controlling than most because we don’t want to be told what to do. Right. So how do you how do you bring together that idea of control for people who want that and also the fluidity and the flexibility and trophy chasing?
Becca Rich 9:28
Yeah, I don’t think that they’re mutually exclusive. Honestly, I think when you find a way to really look at yourself, like, honestly, and really tap into your rhythms and your uniqueness and how your mind works and your body and like all these different things, you know, we love human design, we love Enneagram we love all these personnel astrology like we love all these things to help us learn ourselves. Like learn more about ourselves and we can you Is all of that to help us create systems and structures around time to help us feel in control, while also knowing that we are ever evolving humans that we do change, things change, and that’s okay. And there are systems and structures that can be built to withstand that change, and the fluidity. And one of the things that I often talk about, you know, in society, we’re told that we have no agency that, you know, time is money, we have to sell it, we have to, like, you know, hustle hard to like, you know, survive, and the spiritual woowoo group of people, which I’m, we were adjacent, if you will, kind of and, you know, they’ll say that we have 100% agency over time, we have all of the control all of the power, and it’s up to us to make the most of our 24 hours. And I think that the reality is somewhere in the middle, I don’t think that it’s either or, and I don’t think that it’s either rigid or fluid, there is a way to bring everything together, which is my whole message. Right? Both and both and everything is possible.
Meg Casebolt 11:13
Well, that. And I think also, you know, sometimes in the the entrepreneurial space, there’s this messaging around, like, don’t trade time for dollars, which is kind of synonymous with like how to price your services, so that way, you aren’t getting paid an hourly wage. But to an extent, I want to, like, blow that out of that context of just like, how are you billing? Like, how was your time being paid? And more like, you know, time is not a commodity? Well, I guess I guess it sort of is, like, time is not something that you are only your only value is to sell your time to somebody else, right? Like you can embrace it for something that brings you pleasure, something that is your self care, even if that’s like sleep, yep. Right? Yes. Something that you just enjoy doing for fun. So that way, when you do show up at work, whether that’s, you know, one hour a day, or eight hours a day, or 12 hours a day, somewhere in the middle, right? Like when when you are in work mode, you’re showing up as your best self, and you’re showing up more effectively, more efficiently, because you’re not just burning the candle at both ends all the time. It’s more than just time for dollars, which is what is like, I don’t want to say I also say victimized which is not the right term, but demonized in this entrepreneurial space, don’t trade time for dollars, but it’s like no, let’s like zoom out and actually think about what your how your time and how your money are actually related to each other. Yeah,
Becca Rich 12:41
there’s an inherent connection between time and money. And I have a digital product actually, that I use with my clients called calculated. And so what we do is we’ll look at how much do you how much money do you need to make per month and how much you want to work per week. And you know, the calculations are complicated that I’m not going to explain. But essentially, it comes out with two numbers, one, how much you your minimum per hour that you need to charge and then client facing hours, as well as the, you know, value that, you know, the worth base pricing that people always talk about are like the perceived value of the offer. And so there’s three different numbers that actually come out. And it’s a way of like finding that middle ground between the difference between hourly based rates and perceived value rates. And that is a really important thing for us to sort of grapple with. And it’s really, like, I just want to say here, like time management isn’t easy, like people think that it should be like this easy thing that they could, you know, figure out when they’re born or something and like, we have to figure out pricing as entrepreneurs, we have to figure out, like, you know, delegating, we have to figure out prioritization, like there. It’s so complicated and complex and hard living in the world that we live in.
Meg Casebolt 14:05
Yeah, and I think also you make a good point that like, people will say, here’s another like jargon term or phrase that you hear a lot is like, charge what you’re worth, but like how do you know what that is? In a actual context? Like in the context of capitalism, how can we determine our worth quote unquote, my worth is in fact there isn’t. Right? There isn’t a calculator but there is a spreadsheet which
Becca Rich 14:34
I think you know, the Treasurer were thing is is absolutely bonkers to me because I am not like I worked really hard and continue to work really hard to tell and remind myself that I am not my business that my worth is not my productivity. My worth is not my success. It is not any of that and that is like I can’t charge on my worth because like I said it would be 10 bajillion, you know, To Be Rich is how
Meg Casebolt 15:02
you would live up to your last day. So I think about, I don’t know why this is coming to mind, this happened yesterday, I took my eight year old to an art therapy class. He goes to a clinic at our local college where they’re like training interns, and he gets to draw it. And he turned to me at the grocery store afterwards, he was mom, I think he’s just learning fractions, right? He’s just learning percentages. He was mom, I think I spend about 10% of my life drawing. And we went through and we tried to figure out what percent of your life are you doing with everything as an eight year old, right? Like, this is very different than us as grown ups. But as an eight year old, I said, you know, but like, you sleep probably nine or 10 hours a night. So that’s 40% of your time, and then you’re in school for six hours a day. So that’s another 25%. So that’s two thirds of your day is already gone. So if you’re spending 10%, on, you know, art, and you’re like, what, really thinking through, like, almost like I wanted to, we were at the grocery store, we were standing in line at the certain conveyor belt, but I wanted to, like draw him a pie chart and be like, This is how much of your day and they go, you probably spend about 10% of your time eating. He’s like, No, that’s 20% I eat a lot. He’s aware, oh, my gosh, you should see this kid. I when he becomes a teenager, we are done. I’m gonna have to work so hard to make more money to feed this child. Because all my budget, but really like the fact that he’s eight, and he’s able to start almost time blocking for it’s not not total time blocking, but really thinking about what are his priorities? And where is he spending his time and, and doing some of these time tracking work was fascinating to me that he’s already thinking about it at such a young age, but as an adult, how much time am I doing that? You know, how much time am I sleeping? What percentage of my time is sleeping? What percentage of my time is laying in bed wishing I was asleep versus actually sleeping last night and perimenopause. You know how much of my time is working? Really, really how much of my time is working versus how much of my time is sitting at my desk telling myself that I should start working right. Like
Becca Rich 17:16
we’re thinking about work while you’re in bed, not sleeping.
Meg Casebolt 17:20
Right? Not sleeping, then I had the best idea for the next podcast at two o’clock this morning. Right? But, and for us, especially as adults, like it’s not always as cut and dry. It’s not here’s how much time you’re spending sleeping. And here’s how much time you’re eating. But there is a fluidity to that, where as I’m cooking, I’m thinking about work. And as I’m sleeping, I’m dreaming about life. And you know, like, as I’m relaxing, I’m getting these ideas. And so it’s definitely more fluid. But maybe that’s something that people want to think about here is go through my my eight year olds exercise of like, what percentage of your time are you spending doing some of these things? And what percentage of your time would you want that to be? And I know you work with your clients a lot on like, how much time do you want to work? Yeah,
Becca Rich 18:09
I call it Yeah, I call this concept time awareness. So you know, you mentioned like time blocking or time percentages, or, like backing up to just this overall conception around awareness, like being aware of how we spend our time. And there’s a lot of, again, I mentioned earlier, shame and guilt and frustration and shoulds. And you know, a lot of gunk that goes into not wanting to look at our time. And so just wanting to like put that out there with so much love and compassion that it can feel really challenging can feel really like shadowy to look at how we spend our time because a lot of people really struggle with feeling like they’re wasting it. And so, one of the ways that I go through this as a holistic time coach with my clients is not just time you know, its energy, its vibration, if you want to go whoo, it’s your mental capacity, good. It’s all of these different things that we could sort of become more aware of throughout the day. And so I’ve had one client track her vibrations, and that helped her with her time, her energy, her just overall life is tracking her vibration throughout the day for just a week. And really getting clear on what you’re tracking, why you’re tracking it, what you hope to gain from that information and really doing that current like pre work around becoming more aware of your time, your energy, your vibration, all the things helps the shadow either gunk, feel a little bit easier or less kind of emotionally loaded while you do that exercise.
Meg Casebolt 20:00
Yeah, because especially use it, like people don’t want to waste their time. So they’d rather not even be aware of how they’re spending their time, because then they won’t feel the guilt of waste. But like, I’ve never really thought about that idea of wasting or wasted time, in terms of how polarizing and negative, that idea is, as if, you know, if you’re not being productive, you are suddenly being wasteful, like, there’s no recognition of the fact that relaxation is the opposite side of the coin of productivity. Yeah, right. You have, you have to, quote unquote, waste time in order to make the most of the time that you do have, you cannot be 100% for 24 hours a day. Yeah,
Becca Rich 20:43
it’s interesting. So like, my, my thoughts on that are, I don’t believe in time, in wasting time, at all, I don’t think time is wasted, because there’s an underlying need, no matter what what you’re doing with your time, there’s, there’s something your inner wisdom needs something. And then, you know, on top of that, my definition of productivity is anything that’s important to me, and helps me be a well, you know, healthy well being individual in this world. And so rest is productive. So I don’t even think about is like, you know, rest will help me be more productive. I just say, Now, rest is productive.
Meg Casebolt 21:31
I need that that mindset shift. So thank you for that. I’ll have to go back and listen to this again. I do think that like, although we don’t want to say that we’re wasting time, because there is always a benefit to time for hopefully moving us towards the you know, whatever our greater good is. It is a finite resource. Right? I think about Oliver Burks. Am I saying Right? Yeah, his book 4000 weeks where it’s like, for most of us, that’s what we get. And when you think about it, as you know, the average lifespan of an American adult is in the 70s 80s, etc. Like, it feels longer. But when you think of it as instead of yours, you think of it as weeks and every week counts towards something that can feel much more scarce. Yeah. I have a friend whose husband was deployed for six months. And after she made it through two weeks, I looked at her and I go, Alright, you’re 8% done with this deployment. She was like, Oh my gosh, like, whatever the whatever the math was, I may have made that up. You know, like she she just felt like six months was infinite. And like, I have these two kids, and I have to juggle them and work and I have all these things going on. And it was like, No, you’re already almost 10% Like, just really trying to quantify time, in a way it using the constraints around time in a way that empowers us versus making us feel helpless. Yeah, maybe as part of the conversation here.
Becca Rich 22:54
Yes. So I often talk about externalizing time, clearly, I’ve put a lot of thought into all of these different concepts. I love this. Yeah, so this concept of externalizing time is why time blocking is so effective for so many people. It is quite literally turning like this nebulous, slippery construct that a lot of like, I think every human has trouble really like understanding because it is sort of turned like we’ve talked about turned into a commodity. It’s also universal, It’s spiritual. It’s our perception and thoughts and feelings. And like all these different things make up time. And so when we externalize it when we get it out of our heads onto paper, or digital calendar, or something outside of our brain that helps us be more realistic, which is one of the most common challenges that I see parents, entrepreneurs, spiritual people, creative people, like all of my people really, really struggle with being realistic and honest and true with where their time is going, what they want to spend it on their to do list, their you know, all of that and so externalizing it getting it out of your head onto something outside of you is a really profound practice.
Meg Casebolt 24:19
Totally, and having having that external thing that you can look at instead of keeping it all in your head where it can kind of morph and change with whatever your thoughts are.
Becca Rich 24:29
The story that’s coming to mind right now, my husband is a writer and editor and he’s like, Yeah, takes me like two hours to write an article or something. We were talking about this a little bit. Not a little bit. We talked about this quite a bit. But we I’m like nah, like baby, you spend like three and a half, four, maybe even five hours on an article and it’s so funny, like time just shrinks when he’s like working on his creative project which you know, It’s his profession. But time expands, it shrinks. And there’s a lot of great studies out there that have confirmed that based on, you know, what we’re doing what we’re experiencing how we’re feeling our energy, our state of being whether we stayed up all night last night trying to go to sleep, like all of the things.
Meg Casebolt 25:21
Yeah, and the excitement about something can. And this is, you know, as somebody with ADHD, I know that there’s a term hyper focus for us, which is like, we dive so far deep into what it is, that’s exciting to us, whatever that feels novel and exciting that we lose all track of time, like time as a concept is hard for humans. But for people with ADHD, it can be even harder because we have this time blindness to it. And one of the things that I noticed similar to your husband writing his articles is like I did a, we did a podcast about this already. But I did NaNoWriMo National Novel Writing Month, in November, and I’d already written like most of the novel, and that it took me a year to write 100,000 words. And then during NaNoWriMo, I started another one, which was the sequel to that initial novel. And then a month I wrote 80,000 words, because I had excitement and motivation and accountability. And I had a constraint of time and like, this month, I wanted to complete this task. And there was something about both the energy and the time constraint and the priority of it, and the the creative outlet of it. They got me to do in a month, what it had previously taken me about a year to do. And so there’s something about the prioritization and the constraints. That’s fascinating to me, I’m sure you’ve studied it, tell me back. Tell me the theory behind these things that I’ve experienced.
Becca Rich 26:47
I mean, just like, I just think it’s so beautiful, how all of these different things, help us, not help us, you know, motivate us, whatever, like, there’s so much that impacts our ability to do the things that are really important or not important to us, like that impact how we spend our time. And it, it just goes back to like how we spend our time is how we express to ourselves into the world, what’s important to us and the people that we are and the things that we care about. And that that concept in itself just like blows my mind, always.
Meg Casebolt 27:32
This is like your mic drop, how we spend our time is like an indicator of what our values are, really. So how can we apply this like we’ve we’ve run a couple of circles around the theories, we’ve given some specific examples. But if this is something that people want to start exploring, what do you recommend as some of those first steps to become more time aware?
Becca Rich 27:55
Yeah, you know, because my, the one on one coaching program that I offer package, or whatever you want to call it is completely customized, every single person comes to me with a different time related issue, or multiple, have different visions for how they want to spend their time have different values, more or less, most of the time, it’s freedom, flexibility, joy, you know, success achievement, around those kind of values. And it looks different for everybody. But I think that the key part, that is the most important thing is sort of what you touched on in it’s connecting to yourself, it’s really going going inwards and figuring out who you Who are you what’s important to you, how does your mind work? How does your body, your brain, your life, your responsibilities, all of these things all come together and form this beautifully amazing human and spiritual being that then has the ability to spend a percentage of their time expressing to themselves into the world what they want to do. So going back to your values, going back to who I have an exercise called whole self exercise that my clients really love. And it’s really digging into like, when you know, your mind, body, spirit and environment, all of those different parts of you make up your whole self at at its best at its most healthy, you know, most effective. And so that is a great place to start and becoming more time aware.
Meg Casebolt 29:39
Absolutely. Yeah, we’ll definitely link to that in the show notes. If people want to go check out that information. There’s something else you said right at the beginning of that answer that got me thinking also, which is that everything that you do all of your coaching is one to one and customized. And there’s this, like pervasive myth about time as entrepreneurs that everything should be leveraged. And if you do anything one on one, then you’re wasting time. And if you’re if everything is customized, and you don’t have any systems in place, so you’re wasting time and like, it’s really fascinating to me this juxtaposition of you having done so much research and soul searching about the role of time, and also saying like, but I don’t want to create a leveraged offer that I can sell streamlined over and over again. So that way I can make money in less time. Like, I want to continue to have these deep conversations to work one on one like, and maybe that’s, again, coming back to your values and how you desire to work with people and what you want to spend your time doing. But talk to me about that decision of staying, one to one of staying in the deep conversations, instead of building some sort of productized or systematized or, you know, self paced option for working with you.
Becca Rich 30:54
Yeah, I think being able to see someone come back to themselves with awareness, acceptance, compassion, love, like that is sort of like my mission. Like being that I mean, that just makes my job completely worth it. Like everything else is like cool. And you know, you could be more productive, you could make four times the revenue you want, like, whatever the external goals are, those are all fun, but like really seeing someone celebrate and acknowledge and look at themselves and really just like, love themselves is, is the thing that is important to me. And that doesn’t happen and of course, right. So
Meg Casebolt 31:41
you get to have the front row seat. Don’t just get because sometimes people will say like, well, you’re trying to help people with a transformation. And in order to have a big impact, you need to hit a broad scope of people in there. But like, then you miss out on watching that metamorphosis. Like you have a room of butterflies, but you don’t get to, oh my gosh, I feel like this is a little transform like the garden of roses. Do you know what I mean? Where it’s like, you’re the Fox, and you get to tame the rose and every other Rose is there, but they’re not as beautiful because they’re not your role
Becca Rich 32:13
is make, like, it always comes back to
Meg Casebolt 32:19
philosophic literature over
Becca Rich 32:20
here. Yeah, you know, being able to, like I love the picture of like, being the front row witness to this, like one of my superpowers is holding space and so my clients will come to me and they’re overwhelmed. They’re like, I’ve been trying to figure out time management my entire life. This shit is hard. Like, you know, all of the all of the things like this isn’t possible is the energy that a lot of people come to me with and like this is it possible to experience peace on a regular basis while also hitting my revenue goals. And I am eight like that my job is to hold that space and trust that it is possible for them and that is what makes it possible for them and it’s really really profound and beautiful and important and yeah, you know, I think I will eventually come out with a digital like digital calendars are my jam I want to my course that’s going to create be creative this year is digital calendars for rebellious entrepreneurs, I don’t know that might be the title, which is you know, one to many or whatever but my one on one coaching holds a special part in my heart as well as my I certify other coaches and consultants and service providers in my modality as well to help their clients and so that is a one two sort of ripple effect mini type of thing but it’s still small, intimate.
Meg Casebolt 33:57
Oh, I didn’t realize that that’s a really cool legacy to leave is not just within your one to one clients, but also changing sort of the landscape of life coaching to include more of an emphasis on not time management. Just time coaching. Yeah, right time, awareness time. Time ability.
Becca Rich 34:17
Yeah, I haven’t been able to come up with the term. So there’s no term for it. There’s no language it’s just like, I don’t know alignment or integrity. I don’t like I don’t even know what the word would be.
Meg Casebolt 34:31
Well, if we have any copywriters listening who want to reach out to Becca and give you any suggestions based on this conversation, or based on reading any blog posts, or anything that you’ve created about this and want to, you know, come a coin helper coined a term. How can people get in touch with you or find out more about
Becca Rich 34:47
Yeah, go in Google type in the holistic time coach or Becca rich, and you’ll find me on on the interwebs
Meg Casebolt 34:54
and we will make sure to include links to all of your platforms in the show notes. So y’all can go check those out. Becca, thank you so much for this very Ravenclaw discussion of Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to the social slowdown podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe or come on over to social slowdown.com and sign up for our email list so you never miss an episode. We’d also love if you could write a review to help other small business owners find the show you can head over to social slowdown.com/review Or grab that link in our show notes for easy access. We’ll be back soon with more tips to help you market your business without being beholden to social media Talk to you then.
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